Illustration of a man doing a low-bar back squat, as recommended in Starting Strength.

Starting Strength was created by the former powerlifter Mark Rippetoe as a beginner program for gaining general strength. It has its roots in powerlifting culture, but it’s not a powerlifting program. It’s designed to be good for gaining general strength, but what does that mean? And it’s occasionally marketed as being a good program for gaining muscle size. Is it?

What we want to do in this article is to review it from the perspective of a skinny person who’s new to lifting weights and trying to gain muscle mass, become stronger, and improve their appearance. Is Starting Strength ideal for those very specific goals?

Illustration of a bodybuilder building muscle with hypertrophy training.

Introduction

Starting Strength is a beginner strength program that’s deeply rooted in powerlifting. Mark Rippetoe, its creator, was a competitive powerlifter for eleven years, and a fairly impressive one, too. At a bodyweight of 220 pounds, he squatted 622 pounds, bench pressed 396, and deadlifted 633 for a total of 1651.

Illustration showing a powerlifter doing a low-bar back squat.

That’s not to say that Starting Strength is a powerlifting program, though. It’s not. In fact, Rippetoe has a number of criticisms of powerlifting. He dislikes how it encourages people to lift with a small range of motion, and he eschews the supportive gear that equipped powerlifters wear—the knee wraps, bench shirts, and squat suits. So Starting Strength isn’t supposed to be used as a beginner powerlifting program, it’s supposed to be an improvement to powerlifting. It’s supposed to be used as an introduction to general strength training.

Starting Strength’s goal is not to train world-class powerlifters. It is, rather, to make normal, average people stronger. 

Mark Rippetoe & Matt Reynolds, Starting Strength

One of the things that Rippetoe does throughout the Starting Strength book is to teach us how to get more muscle growth out of the main powerlifting lifts. He recommends low-bar squatting with a narrower stance to a deeper depth, benching with a narrower grip to increase the range of motion, and deadlifting with a conventional stance to increase our back involvement. These changes won’t help people improve their powerlifting total, no, but they certainly make the powerlifting lifts better for stimulating muscle growth. He also favours sets of 5 repetitions instead of using even lower rep ranges, which, again, is quite a bit better for stimulating muscle growth. And he includes the overhead press and power clean alongside the low-bar squat, bench press, and deadlift.

So is Starting Strength better than a powerlifting program for building muscle? Yes, no doubt. Mind you, most powerlifters alternate between hypertrophy phases, strength phases, and peaking phases. The hypertrophy phases are designed to stimulate muscle growth (size gains), the strength phases are designed to make those bigger muscles stronger (neural gains), and the peaking phases are designed to prepare those big and strong muscles for a powerlifting competition (restful practice).

Strength training isn’t designed to make our muscles bigger. It’s designed to make our big muscles stronger. That means that someone who aspires to become a good powerlifter will typically be advised to start with hypertrophy training to gain muscle size and then switch to strength training as they get closer to their genetic muscular potential. That’s especially true for skinnier people who are starting off with less muscle mass.

Starting Strength most closely resembles the strength training phase of powerlifting training. It’s not designed to stimulate muscle growth. So here’s where things get interesting: what if we compare Starting Strength against a hypertrophy training or bodybuilding program for building muscle? How does it compare then?

The Starting Strength Workouts

Starting Strength has us training three times per week, alternating between two different full-body workouts. This is called a “full-body split” routine because we train every muscle each workout, but we’re alternating between two distinct workouts.

Workout A

  • Low-bar back squat: 3 sets of 5 repetitions (3×5)
  • Barbell bench press: 3 sets of 5 repetitions (3×5)
  • Conventional deadlift: 1 set of 5 repetitions (1×5)

Workout B

  • Low-bar back squat: 3 sets of 5 repetitions (3×5)
  • Barbell overhead Press: 3 sets of 5 repetitions (3×5)
  • Power Clean: 5 sets of 3 repetitions (5×3)
Illustration of a man doing a conventional deadlift.

So the main set and rep scheme is doing 3 sets of 5 repetitions. But because deadlifts are disproportionately fatiguing, we do just a single set. And because power training is done in lower rep ranges, the power cleans are done for just 3 reps per set.

Whenever we can complete all three sets with a given weight, we increase the load, adding 5 pounds on the squat, 10 pounds on the deadlift, or 2.5lbs on the upper-body lifts. This is called linear progression, and it works quite well with beginners.

These workouts are simple, elegant, and there’s a strong logic to them. It’s a good minimalist approach to strength training that Mark Rippetoe has refined over many years to make it ideal for the beginners that he’s coached. It’s a really interesting system and there’s a lot to learn from it.

But is it good for gaining muscle size? Let’s see.

Is Starting Strength Good for Building Muscle?

Exercise Selection for Hypertrophy

Mark Rippetoe recommends the following lifts in Starting Strength:

Side view illustration of a man doing a Starting Strength low-bar barbell back squat.

He believes these lifts are the best because they use the most muscle mass, use the greatest effective range of motion, and use the most weight possible (with proper form). And these are great lifts, both for obvious and not-so-obvious reasons. On the obvious side, exactly as Rippetoe states, these are compound lifts that engage a tremendous amount of overall muscle mass through a fairly large range of motion, making them great for stimulating a ton of muscle growth. That’s why this program can be so simple—because these lifts are such an efficient way to build muscle.

Graph showing how training at different muscle lengths stimulates different amounts of muscle growth.

On the not-so-obvious side, these lifts also allow us to challenge our muscles in a deep stretch. Muscle growth is stimulated via mechanical tension, and we can put mechanical tension on our muscles by actively contracting them and by stretching them. When we combine a strong contraction with a deep stretch, the active and passive mechanical tension are added together, stimulating far more muscle growth (study). As a result, the lifts that are hardest while our muscles are stretched tend to be best for building muscle (study).

Illustration of a man doing the barbell bench press.

If we consider the bench press, for example, then we get a deep stretch on our chests at the bottom of the lift (when it touches our chests), which is near where the lift is the most challenging (a couple of inches above our chests). As a result, the bottom part of the bench press is amazing for stimulating muscle growth. No real surprise that it’s so popular.

This same benefit applies to the squat, which challenges our quads in a stretched position, and the deadlift, which challenges our hips and hamstrings in stretched positions. Again, this does a good job of explaining their popularity among bodybuilders, powerlifters, and athletes.

Illustration of a man doing a barbell overhead press

The overhead press doesn’t have this benefit, but it’s a great lift for a number of other reasons: it allows us to train our upper chests and shoulders without our shoulder blades being retracted, and it’s great for our traps. It’s a worthy complement to the bench press, and people often find that their shoulders feel sturdier and stronger when they train both lifts with similar veracity. It’s a worthy addition.

So there’s no doubt that these are some of the very best lifts for building muscle. But even though these lifts are awesome, that doesn’t mean that they’re ideal for beginners or for gaining muscle size. Here’s why:

  • There’s no lift for the upper back or biceps. From a powerlifting perspective, that’s not a problem. Powerlifters need backs that are strong enough to deadlift, but not much else. But for gaining overall muscle size, general strength, and aesthetics, it’s important to train our upper backs and biceps with the same vigour as we train our lower bodies. This program is missing the chin-up.
  • The power clean is good for turning strength into explosiveness, but it isn’t very good for developing size or strength in the first place. Even for athletes, it usually makes more sense to focus on gaining muscle size first and then down the road, as a more seasoned lifter, to sprinkle in some power training if to improve explosive power. To build more muscle more easily, we can replace the power clean with a lift that’s better for stimulating muscle growth, such as the chin-up.
  • There are better squat variations than the low-bar squat for gaining muscle size, general strength, and improving our appearance. The low-bar squat is used in Starting Strength because it better engages the hip and groin muscles and allows for more weight to be lifted. We do this by “sitting back” into the squat and bending at the hips. To squat the weight back up, we flex our hip muscles. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that, but we already have the deadlift and power clean for our hips, so why not use a quad-and-back dominant squat variation? The front squat allows us to lift through an even greater range of motion, especially in the knee joint, while doing an even better job of bulking up our upper backs. It’s also safer, easier on the joints, and easier to recover from. And for beginners, as we’ll cover in a moment, the goblet squat is a very easy squat progression to learn, while still having all of the same benefits as the front squat.
  • These lifts aren’t very good for beginners. Unless they’re naturally athletic and/or being coached in person, most skinny beginners will struggle to learn the Big Three powerlifting lifts. They’ll struggle to get to depth while low-bar squatting without crashing into their hips, struggle to bring the barbell down to their chests when benching without their shoulders falling out of position, struggle to do the conventional deadlift without rounding their lower backs, and struggle to press a bar overhead without arching their lower backs. Most egregious of all is the power clean, which is a fairly complex lift to learn, especially for a beginner who doesn’t have an in-person strength coach. That isn’t to say that beginners shouldn’t do these lifts, but it does make it harder to build muscle. The more time we need to spend improving our coordination and technique, the less time we spend stimulating muscle growth. This can slow down our muscle growth for several weeks or months as we struggle to fully engage our muscles with these advanced lifts. For skinny beginners who are eager to start building muscle, that can be frustrating.
  • There are no isolation lifts. We’ll give this an entire section. There’s a reason why bodybuilders always include isolation lifts in their routines. And for beginners, there may be an even stronger case for using isolation lifts.

Although the Starting Strength lifts are better versions of the powerlifting lifts for building muscle, they still aren’t ideal or complete. We need a pulling movement for our back and biceps, we don’t need power training, there are better squat variations, and there are better lifts for beginners who want to start building muscle right out of the gate.

No Isolation Movements

Starting Strength has no single-joint “isolation” exercises. That’s a problem because some muscles only grow properly with single-joint movements. For instance, the long head of the triceps extends our elbows and extends our shoulders. The bench press extends our elbows and flexes our shoulders. If we fully engaged the long head of the triceps fully when benching, we’d be pulling the barbell back to our chests. To solve that problem, we push with the shorter triceps heads instead. That’s why when we measure muscle growth from the bench press, we see that the triceps lag behind (study).

Graph showing differences in pec and triceps growth when doing the bench press.

It’s not that our trices are lagging behind overall, though, it’s that the long head, in particular, is failing to grow. That’s too bad because it’s a big, strong head that contributes quite a lot to our general strength and arm size. To develop it properly, then, we need something like a skullcrusher or overhead extension. When we add those in, we see balanced triceps and chest growth:

Graph showing differences in chest and triceps growth when doing the bench press and triceps extensions.

Does that make our workouts a bit longer? Yes. It might add an extra five minutes after we finish our bench pressing. And will it make our workouts more complicated? Absolutely. Our workouts wouldn’t have that same minimalist elegance that Starting Strength has. And will bulking up the long heads of our triceps improve our powerlifting performance? No. But adding in triceps extensions will allow us to gain more muscle size and strength. And it will make our arms grow quite a bit faster.

This is just one example. There are a number of muscles that aren’t trained properly by compound movements. Our shoulders benefit from lateral raises in addition to overhead presses. Our biceps benefit from biceps curls in addition to chin-ups (and Starting Strength doesn’t even have chin-ups, meaning that our biceps aren’t really being worked at all). It would be nice if compound lifts gave us everything we needed, but they don’t.

Now, the next argument is that this program is for beginners. Aren’t the big compound lifts enough for beginners? Can’t we add in all of those isolation lifts later on? We could, yes, but isolation lifts are incredibly valuable to beginners, too. Here’s why:

  • Isolation lifts tend to be easier to learn. Simpler lifts are easier to learn, making it easier to forcefully contract our muscles, making it easier to stimulate muscle growth. This allows us to stimulate a robust amount of muscle growth right from our very first workouts.
  • Isolation lifts can be performed to failure without much risk of injury, allowing beginners to push themselves to their limits. Beginners often have poorer muscle activation than more seasoned lifters, and so pushing closer to failure tends to yield extra muscle growth (study, study, study, study).
  • Isolation lifts aren’t very fatiguing, allowing us to train in higher rep ranges, to use shorter rest times, to push closer to failure, and to accumulate extra training volume, all of which allow us to stimulate extra muscle growth quite easily.

All of this makes isolation lifts an incredibly powerful way for beginners to build muscle faster. By avoiding them early on, we’re just reducing the amount of muscle we build during our first few months of training.

A good bulking routine should be built around the big compound lifts, but isolation lifts should be added for the muscles that aren’t stimulated properly by those bigger lifts. Those isolation lifts are also simpler and safer, making it easier for beginners to stimulate muscle growth right from their very first workout.

Heavy Emphasis on the Squat

The low-bar squat is given a massive emphasis in Starting Strength. Every single workout starts with three sets of squats, giving it twice the training volume of any other lift. Plus, since every workout starts with squats, that’s where our best energy is being invested. By the time we get to our upper-body lifts, we’re already a bit fatigued.

Now, to be fair, there’s some wisdom in emphasizing the squat when we’re trying to gain as much muscle mass as possible. Our quads and glutes are by far the biggest muscles in our bodies, and they have incredible potential for growth. The squat is thus the single best lift for adding pounds of muscle to our frames. But even so, most people trying to gain 20 pounds of muscle aren’t hoping to gain 15 of those pounds in their butt and thighs.

Even my wife, who loves the idea of building a stronger lower body, doesn’t want that much emphasis on the hips and thighs. She wants to become stronger overall, and so she’s just as likely to start her workouts with chin-ups, push-ups, or deadlifts.

For men who are eager to bulk up their upper bodies, the mismatch of goals grows even starker. It can be frustrating to see our squat strength skyrocket while our bench press lags behind, and while our upper back and biceps are barely being worked at all. We can move up several pants sizes while still looking fairly similar in our t-shirts. It’s not that it’s bad to emphasize our lower body so heavily, it’s just that most people want more balanced upper-to-lower-body muscle development and more versatile strength gains. It’s just a mismatch of goals.

It’s not wrong to focus primarily on the squat, but most people aren’t eager to gain most of their muscle size in their hips and thighs, and so a common complaint is that Starting Strength makes people more pear-shaped. That’s not bad, per se, but most people—especially men—want to develop more muscle mass in their upper bodies.

Beginner Variations of the Lifts

Starting Strength is a program that works quite well when people are taught how to do barbell training by an in-person coach. The big barbell lifts aren’t very complicated or dangerous, and so with a bit of coaching, most people can learn how to do them reasonably well during their first few workouts.

The problem is, a lot of skinny guys who are eager to bulk up won’t be training with a personal trainer, they’ll be learning from their friends or following online tutorial videos. There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s how I learned to lift. And again, the barbell lifts aren’t that complicated or dangerous, and there are a lot of great resources online. But when we’re learning the lifts without in-person professional guidance, it can be a huge, massive, enormous help to start with easier progressions.

To make things harder still, skinny beginners tend to have less muscle mass on their frames, longer spines, and lankier limbs. That doesn’t mean that learning the barbell lifts is dangerous, but it can certainly create a frustrating learning curve. In fact, it can take quite a bit of practice before we can do the lifts well enough and heavy enough to stimulate a robust amount of muscle growth in the muscles we’re trying to work. Oftentimes we wind up failing because of our lower back or grip strength, or because our shoulders fall out of position at the bottom of the bench press. A simple solution to this problem is to start with easier progressions.

Now, a lot of people worry that by starting with easier variations of the big lifts, yes, they might be safer, easier to learn, and foster better long-term lifting techniques and habits… but it might mean missing out on short-term muscle growth. And for a skinny guy who’s desperate to build muscle, that can be disheartening. I remember being skinny. I remember wanting to build muscle as fast as possible. I wasn’t all that eager to spend months doing preparatory progressions. I wanted to start lifting, to start growing.

What’s cool about starting with easier progressions is that they allow us to stimulate more muscle growth when we first start training. If we choose simple brute-strength lifts, then instead of spending weeks improving our coordination on the big compound lifts, we can open the floodgates of muscle growth right from our very first workout.

Illustration of a beginner doing barbell back squats.
Most beginners squat like this.

For example, instead of spending weeks trying to learn how to do a low-bar back squat to full depth without rounding or arching our lower backs, we can do a goblet squat.

Illustration of a man doing a dumbbell goblet squat.
The goblet squat solves most beginner squat problems.

The setup is much easier: all we need to do is grab a dumbbell or weight plate. And holding that weight in front of us keeps our torsos more upright, making it easy to squat to full depth without jamming up at the hips. It also makes it easier to keep our hips in a neutral position while squatting, which sets us up for better squat technique in the future. Because of how much easier it is to learn, most people are able to do a goblet squat with solid technique during their very first workout. Not perfect technique, no, but good enough. Best of all, because the goblet squat is a brute strength lift, it’s easy to push ourselves hard to stimulate muscle growth.

The same is true with the other big lifts. There’s no need to start with a barbell bench press when a dumbbell bench press or push-up is easier to learn and arguably better for stimulating muscle growth (at least for a beginner). And there’s no need to start with conventional deadlifts from the floor when Romanian deadlifts tend to be much easier on our lower backs while still being just as good for improving our grip strength and bulking up our hips and hamstrings. Then with the overhead press, the fronts of our shoulders are already being worked beautifully by the bench press (or push-up) and our traps are already being worked by the deadlift, so all we need to do is make sure that we’re stimulating the sides of our shoulders. That’s where lateral raises can come in handy.

Illustration of a man doing dumbbell lateral raises.

By swapping out some of the more advanced lifts for simpler brute strength lifts, we can shrink the learning curve, speed up muscle growth, reduce the risk of injury, and develop better longterm lifting form. On the other hand, athletic lifters or people training with an in-person coach might not have any problems starting with some of the more advanced lifts. It depends.

Training Frequency for Hypertrophy

Starting Strength is a full-body split that’s done three times per week. Each workout uses slightly different exercises, but we’re training every muscle every workout, and so we’re training our muscles three times per week. That’s perfect for gaining strength and for stimulating muscle growth, especially for beginner and early-intermediate lifters.

A workout stimulates 24–72 hours of muscle growth, meaning that if we want our muscles to be growing steadily all week long, we need to be training them every 2–3 days. That’s why bodybuilder training splits that only train each muscle once per week tend to stimulate less muscle growth than full-body workouts done three times per week.

Now, it’s certainly possible to design a body-part split that has us training 5–6 days per week while training each muscle group 2–3 times per week. But that’s a fairly convoluted way to train, and for beginners, there doesn’t seem to be any real advantage to it. It’s much more efficient to do full-body workouts three times per week. Plus, our hands, our lower backs, and our traps are worked with almost every exercise. And so for beginners who are still sensitive to muscle damage, it can really help to have dedicated recovery days between our workouts.

Finally, Starting Strength also has the advantage of alternating the exercise selection from workout to workout. One workout we do the bench press, the next workout we do the overhead press. One workout we do the deadlift, the next workout we do the power clean. This gives our muscles, joints, and connective tissues a bit of variety. It tends to reduce overall wear and tear, and it also yields more balanced muscle growth.

Starting Strength uses three full-body workouts per week to train every muscle three times per week. That’s a great training frequency for helping a beginner build muscle quickly, efficiently, and safely.

Sets Per Muscle for Hypertrophy

Beginners often don’t need all that many sets per muscle group to stimulate a robust amount of muscle growth. In fact, people who are new to lifting weights tend to be quite sensitive to weight training, and so starting with too many sets can cause excessive muscle damage and soreness, increasing our recovery needs, and impairing our ability to build muscle.

Starting Strength doesn’t have that problem. This is a true beginner program. There are just 3 sets per exercise and just 3 exercises per workout. In fact, because the deadlift can be disproportionately fatiguing, the training volume is dropped even lower. There’s just a single set. All of this makes total sense, and I think it’s one of the main reasons that Starting Strength is such a successful beginner strength training program.

However, there’s a difference between training for muscle strength versus training for muscle size. When we’re training for strength, we’re trying to improve our ability to recruit motor units and lift forcefully. That requires being fairly fresh. And so using lower training volumes is often ideal. Starting Strength is great for this. We do enough work to stimulate those neurological adaptations, but not so much that we cause too much muscle damage or fatigue.

But when we’re training for muscle growth, a little bit of fatigue is okay, and we don’t always want to take a minimalist approach to our workouts. Yes, it makes sense to start with lower training volumes, but there’s also a benefit to raising that volume from workout to workout. Perhaps the first week starts with just two sets per exercise, then three sets in the second week, and then four sets in the third week. Is that necessary? No. If you’re making progress from week to week, then you’re doing enough. But can gradually increasing our training volume speed up muscle growth? Yes.

When we’re trying to stimulate muscle growth, we usually want to work up to doing 4–8 sets per muscle per workout, and then training our muscles 2–3 times per week. Starting Strength is just 3 sets per muscle, 3 times per week. We’re training our muscles often enough, but there isn’t quite enough work being done every workout to stimulate a maximal amount of muscle growth.

Now, does that mean that we should add extra sets to Starting Strength to stimulate more muscle growth? Probably not. Most beginners doing Starting Strength are already working some muscle groups, such as their lower backs and grips, pretty hard. Plus, low-rep sets tend to be pretty hard on our joints. If we just bumped the training volume higher, we might start to run into recovery issues. That’s one of the reasons why StrongLifts 5×5 is often criticized. Driving the volume higher simply by increasing the number of sets isn’t the proper solution.

So having just 3 sets of 3 exercises per workout isn’t a mistake in the programming. It’s not a bad thing. It’s just that this program is designed to cause strength adaptations more so than hypertrophy adaptations. It’s a beginner strength program, not a beginner size program.

Starting Strength is cleverly programmed to be ideal for a beginner who’s trying to gain 1-rep max strength while gaining a little bit of muscle size. For that goal, it makes sense to do just a few heavy sets each workout. But we’d be able to build muscle faster if we drove that training volume higher.

The Hypertrophy Rep Range

Starting Strength recommends doing 5 repetitions per set on every lift except for the power clean. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that, especially when someone is trying to focus on improving their 1-rep max strength. In that case, doing 5 reps per set instead of 3–4 reps per set is a nice way to get a bit of extra muscle growth while gaining strength.

But if we’re trying to build muscle, doing just 5 repetitions per set isn’t a very efficient way of doing that. To understand why that is, we need to consider that we stimulate muscle growth by putting mechanical tension on our muscles. The heavier the weight is, the more tension we put on our muscles with every rep, which is good. The problem is, the heavier the weight is, the fewer reps we can do with it, and so we put less tension on our muscles per set. For example, let’s imagine someone with a 1-rep max of 225 pounds. Here’s a loose estimation of how much we’d expect them to lift in different rep ranges:

  • 225 pounds for 1 rep. 225 pounds lifted.
  • 200 pounds for 5 reps. 1000 pounds lifted.
  • 180 pounds for 8 reps. 1440 pounds lifted.
  • 160 pounds for 12 reps. 1920 pounds lifted.

It’s easy to see that lifting in lower rep ranges doesn’t allow us to lift nearly as much weight per set. To make up for that, we’d need to do more overall sets. That’s why you’ll often see programs using 5 sets of 5 repetitions, 4 sets of 8 repetitions, or 3 sets of 12 repetitions. The lower the rep range, the more sets we need to do, at least to a point.

There’s quite a bit of research showing that once we get into a moderate rep ranges, the amount of muscle growth we stimulate per set tends to even out. When comparing low-rep sets (3–5 reps) against moderate-rep sets (8–20 reps), we see that the moderate-rep sets stimulate more muscle growth per set. But when we compare, say, 8-rep sets against 12-rep sets, we don’t see any difference (systematic review). At that point, every set seems to stimulate a similar amount of muscle growth. And that’s why the 8–15 or 6–20 rep range is often called the “hypertrophy rep range.”

Now, some experts blow the hypertrophy rep range a bit wider than that. Mike Israetel, PhD, argues that the hypertrophy rep range is 5–30 reps per set. Greg Nuckols, MA, believes that the hypertrophy rep range is 4–40 reps per set. But even then, both of them recommend that if we’re trying to build muscle, we should do most of our work in the middle of those rep ranges, not at the lower or higher extremes. For example, Mike Israetel recommends spending 25% of our time lifting in the 5–9 rep range, 50% of our time lifting in the 10–20 rep range, and 25% of our time lifting in the 21–30 rep range.

We also have evidence showing that we can stimulate as much muscle growth with just 3 sets of 12 repetitions as we can with 7 sets of 4 repetitions (study). We don’t know how effective doing 3 sets of 4 repetitions would have been, but we do know that lifting in moderate rep ranges is a reliable way to efficiently stimulate muscle growth, especially when we aren’t doing that many sets per muscle per workout. In Starting Strength, we’re only doing 3 sets per lift, and so we have a better shot at stimulating maximal muscle growth by doing sets of 8+ reps.

The other thing to consider is that lifting heavier weights in lower rep ranges tends to be harder on our joints and connective tissues. That’s another reason why strength training programs tend to use lower volumes than hypertrophy training programs. We need to be more mindful of recovery so that we don’t beat up our joints too much. So again, it’s not that there’s anything wrong with Starting Strength, it’s just that it’s optimized for a different goal.

Starting Strength is a strength training program, and so it uses fairly low-rep sets. Most research shows that we can stimulate more muscle growth per set when lifting in moderate rep ranges. Starting Strength only has 3 sets per lift, combining lower rep ranges with fewer sets. That’s a good approach for gaining 1-rep max strength, but it’s not ideal for gaining muscle size.

Progression & Progressive Overload

Starting Strength is a beginner strength training program that uses linear progression. When we can complete our sets with a given weight, we add more weight to the bar. This is the classic type of progressive overload that’s demonstrated in the parable of Milo of Croton. Milo starts by carrying a small calf, but every day that calf grows heavier, and so his muscles gradually adapt to become stronger over time.

Illustration of Milo of Croton carrying a calf as it grows into a bull, demonstrating the principle of progressive overload.

That’s a perfectly valid way of programming progressive overload, especially for beginners, and especially when the main goal is improving maximal strength. And since Starting Strength is a strength training program for beginners, that’s absolutely perfect. It’s a simple system that works very well.

However, when we’re lifting weights to gain muscle size, there are a number of different ways that we can program progressive overload. We can add weight, we can add reps, and we can add sets. In fact, adding sets is one of the most reliable ways to progressively overload our muscles. Consider this: when we’re adding weight to the bar, we’re limited by how much stronger we’ve become. If we can only lift 2.5 extra pounds to our 185-pound bench press, that’s 2.5 more pounds for five reps for three sets. That’s 37.5 more pounds lifted. But if we’re also adding an extra set, that’s an extra 187.5 pounds for 5 more repetitions. That’s another 937.5 pounds lifted, in addition to that extra 37.5 pounds.

Now, that doesn’t mean that we always need to be adding extra sets. Oftentimes, linear progression is enough, especially if we’re already doing a hearty amount of sets per muscle. After all, at a certain point, adding more sets can start making our workouts too long, too tiring, or too difficult to recover from. But that isn’t the case with Starting Strength. There aren’t many sets being done here.

The linear progression in Starting Strength is an elegant way to gain strength, and it can work quite well for gaining muscle size, too. But we’re often able to stimulate even more muscle growth when we’re open to adding reps and sets as well.

The “Starting Size” Workouts

Starting Strength was designed to improve upon powerlifting training to make it better for gaining general strength. It’s a good program, and it’s elegant in its minimalism, it’s just that it’s strongly rooted in powerlifting and not designed for building muscle. So, what if we modify Starting Strength to be better for helping a beginner gain muscle size?

Before and after transformation of a skinny man becoming muscular.

The foundation of Starting Strength is solid. It’s built on big compound lifts, the volume is a reasonable starting point, and alternating between two full-body workouts is an efficient way to stimulate muscle growth. We only need to make a few changes:

  • Choose better beginner variations of the big compound lifts, such as swapping low-bar back squats for goblet squats.
  • Add in lifts for the muscles that aren’t being stimulated properly, such as a compound pulling movement (such as a chin-up variation) and isolation lifts for our arms (such as biceps curls, triceps extensions, and lateral raises).
  • Raise the rep range from 3–5 up to 8–15.

That gives us a workout routine that looks more like this:

Workout A

  • Goblet squat: 3 sets of 9 repetitions (3×9)
  • Push-up/dumbbell bench press: 3×9
  • Row: 3×9
  • Biceps curl: 2×11
  • Triceps extension: 2×11
  • Lateral raise: 2×11

Wokout B

  • Chin-up*: 3×max reps
  • Push-up/dumbbell bench press: 3×9
  • Goblet squat: 3×9
  • Romanian deadlift: 3×9
  • Plank**: 2 sets
  • Side plank**: 2 sets

*Not everyone can do chin-ups right from their very first workout. One solution is to set up a stool under the chin-up bar, start from the top position, hold it for a couple of seconds, and then lower yourself slowly down until you’re at a dead hang. Start with 3–4 lowered reps and gradually add reps over time. The rows and biceps curls will help you develop the strength you need, too. Eventually, you’ll grow strong enough to pull yourself up. Alternatively, you can do lat pulldowns (or at-home lat pulldown alternatives) for 3 sets of 9 repetitions until you’re strong enough to do 3+ chin-ups.

**Planks are great for teaching beginners how to keep a neutral spine while lifting, and they’re a good way to build bigger abs and obliques. But you can swap them out with any isolation lift. For example, if you want to build a thicker neck, you could do neck curls and extensions.

These workouts have twice as many lifts, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re much harder or longer. The lifts are a bit easier to set up, the rep ranges are a bit higher, and the isolation lifts are quick and easy.

If you want to blast through the workouts in less time, though, you can superset the exercises together, doing a set of squats, resting 60 seconds, doing a set of push-ups, resting another 60 seconds, doing your second set of squats, and so on. That way you’re giving your individual muscles time to regain their strength while doing another lift in the meantime.

The final sets of each exercise can be taken to muscular failure when you feel confident in your technique, especially on isolation lifts. Avoid bringing your lower back to failure, but that shouldn’t be an issue with these lifts. Swap out any lifts that hurt your joints for reasonable alternatives. And add weight whenever you’re able to complete all of your reps in the final set.

Is this a perfectly ideal beginner bulking workout? Not quite. I’d prefer if it were periodized, and I might add a third workout to add a bit more variety to the full-body split. But it’s pretty close, and its minimalist structure makes it easy to include in a short article.

Before and after photo showing the results from doing Starting Strength compared to Outlift for building muscle mass.

Frequently Asked Questions

Does Starting Strength Increase Size?

Yes, Starting Strength will help people increase their muscle size. However, since the program heavily prioritizes the low-bar back squat, most of those size gains will be in the hips and thighs. That’s why guys will often complaint hat they aren’t building muscle with Starting Strength. It’s not that they aren’t gaining size, it’s just that they aren’t gaining much of that size in their upper bodies.

Is it Better to Build Muscle or Gain Strength?

The best way to increase muscle strength is to increase muscle size, especially if your muscles are currently rather small. So even if your main goal is to get stronger, it often makes more sense to train for muscle size than for muscle strength.

The exception is for powerlifters who are specifically trying to increase their 1-rep max strength on the squat, bench press, and deadlift. In that case, it makes sense to train those specific lifts in the 3–5 rep range to develop maximal strength. But even then, including assistance lifts in moderate rep ranges to build muscle will help increase strength even faster, and with less likelihood of running into a strength plateau.

Does Gaining Strength Increase Muscle Size?

Yes and no. There’s a reason why strength training and hypertrophy training have different names. They aren’t the same thing. Strength training is designed to make our muscles stronger for their size, whereas hypertrophy training is designed to make our muscles bigger and stronger. With that said, most strength training routines will indeed stimulate some muscle growth, just not as efficiently as a hypertrophy training routine would.

How do the two styles of training compare? If we look at a systematic review of all the research, it seems that hypertrophy training stimulates about twice as much muscle growth as strength training per set, and with less fatigue, and with a lower risk of injury.

If you’re training to become bigger and stronger, then, it’s usually better to do hypertrophy training instead of strength training. Or, at the very least, to include a mix of both styles of training. After all, nothing is forcing us to train for only size or strength. Many of the best workout routines combine both styles of training. Starting Strength, though, is a pure strength training program. There are no moderate-rep sets and no isolation lifts.

What’s the Difference Between StrongLifts and Starting Strength?

The main difference is that Starting Strength has 3 sets of 5 repetitions (3×5) and uses power cleans, whereas StrongLifts has 5 sets of 5 repetitions (5×5) and uses barbell rows. We have a full article on the differences between the two programs here.

Is 5×5 Better than 3×5?

As a general rule of thumb, doing more sets will stimulate more muscle growth, at least up to a point. That’s why 5×5 routines are often considered “better” than 3×5 routines. But for beginners, the opposite can be true. Sometimes it’s better to ease back on the training volume to allow for better recovery between workouts, allowing us to stimulate our muscles more often. That’s why Starting Strength uses fewer sets, and that’s perfectly fine.

A better way for a beginner to build more muscle is to increase the number of reps per set, not the number of sets. Instead of doing 3×5 or 5×5, a beginner can get plenty of good volume by doing, for example, 3 sets of 8 reps (3×8).

Summary

Starting Strength is quite good at what it does. It’s a minimalist program that teaches the big powerlifting lifts in a way that’s worse for powerlifting but better for gaining general strength. The book itself is quite good, too, and if you plan on growing old with a barbell, it’s a great read. We don’t agree with everything in it, as we’ve detailed above, but we do recommend it.

Illustration of a man with burning biceps flexing.

Starting Strength isn’t terrible for gaining muscle size, but most of that muscle mass will be around the hips: in the glutes, hamstrings, adductors, quads, and lower back. That’s great for powerlifting, but it doesn’t line up with most people’s goals, even if their goal is simply to develop well-rounded strength. Plus, we could build muscle even faster (and in a wider variety of muscles) by increasing the rep range, progressing the volume, swapping the power clean for a vertical pulling movement (such as chin-ups), and adding in isolation lifts.

Another problem with Starting Strength is that it starts off with fairly advanced variations of the big barbell lifts. That can work well for athletic lifters who are being coached in person, but for skinny beginners trying to do the program on their own, it creates a big learning curve that needs to be overcome before much muscle growth can be stimulated. It can also ingrain some poor lifting habits which can be a pain to fix down the road. And it may lead to some aches, pains, pulled muscles, or lower-back fatigue. That’s not the end of the world—lifting is quite safe—but it’s not our preferred way of doing it, either.

Shane Duquette is the co-founder and creative lead of Outlift, Bony to Beastly, and Bony to Bombshell, and has a degree in design from York University in Toronto, Canada. He's personally gained 65 pounds at 11% body fat and has ten years of experience helping over 10,000 skinny people bulk up.

Marco Walker-Ng is the co-founder and strength coach of Outlift, Bony to Beastly, and Bony to Bombshell, and is a certified trainer (PTS) with a Bachelor's degree in Health Sciences (BHSc) from the University of Ottawa. His specialty is helping people build muscle to improve their strength and general health, with clients including college, professional, and Olympic athletes.

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25 Comments

  1. Farhan Hussain on June 26, 2020 at 3:14 pm

    Nice article Shane
    I believe that most men want more size and strength in upper bodies so workouts should begin with upper body giants, like, benching, chin-up, overhead press,etc and squats/deadlifts should come later towards end. Upper body workout can not drain/fatigue us so much to interfere with squat/dead, but doing squat/deads first definitely impacts upper body lifts performance. How do you see this?

    Secondly if someone can’t do benching due to any reason like lack of bench, lack of spotter if training at home, etc then how do you see replacing bench press with weighted chest-dips on parallel bar? It won’t require spotter or bench, won’t restrict scapular movement unlike benching, and allows fairly large loading like bench. It also works triceps more fully than benching and eliminates leg drives n excessive arches as common in benching.

    • Shane Duquette on June 26, 2020 at 3:30 pm

      Hey Farhan, thank you!

      If someone wants to prioritize progress on the upper-body lifts, I think it makes sense to put the upper-body lifts first. If I recall correctly, a lot of the classic bodybuilders, such as Steve Reeves, would save the lower-body lifts until nearer to the end of their workouts. Personally, I like to mix it up. Some workouts start with upper-body lifts, some with lower-body lifts. And I often superset them together. For instance, a set of front squats, rest 1–2 minutes, a set of chin-ups, rest 1–2 minutes, and then back to front squats.

      If a beginner can’t do the bench press, I’d usually recommend push-ups instead. If someone is doing the barbell bench press without a spotter, I’d recommend using dumbbells or using safety bars. Dips can be a great chest builder, especially if you learn forward while doing it. There’s a large range of motion, it’s a heavy lift, there’s a big stretch on the pecs. The bench press and push-up generally give more balanced chest development, but if you combine dips with the overhead press, you’d be doing pretty good on that front. Totally up to you.

      I’m skeptical that the long head of the triceps would be worked well by the dip. There’s movement at the shoulder joint and the arms are behind the body, shortening their length. I think it would have the same issue as the bench press.

      I’m not sure that leg drive, arching, and retracted shoulder blades are bad. Leg drive allows us to use heavier weights and engage more muscle mass, arches seem to be quite safe and do a good job of working our spinal erectors, and retracting our shoulder blades makes the bench press quite safe on our shoulders. I like the idea of also having movements that let the shoulder blades roam free, though, such as push-ups and overhead presses. That’s not an argument against the dip, but I do think the bench press is a truly great lift for building muscle.

      • Farhan Hussain on June 27, 2020 at 1:51 am

        Thanx for the response. Your suggestion of super setting upper body lifts with Lowe body lifts seems good and it shall be time efficient too.

  2. Sam on June 27, 2020 at 12:22 pm

    Awesome article like always Shane. I have stubborn calves, probably the worst you’ve ever seen, so I try to hit legs 2x a week but I’m afraid my quads and hamstrings will grow but my calves won’t. Any tips or words of advice?

    • Shane Duquette on June 27, 2020 at 12:44 pm

      Hey Sam, thank you!

      Your calves will often grow a bit from stabilizing your squats if you let your knees drift forward, as is done with most front squats. However, the stimulation is fairly minor, and so the growth will be minimal and brief. Once you get a decent amount of baseline calf strength, they’ll probably stop growing altogether.

      That raises a few questions, I think:

      Does it matter if our calves fall behind from a general strength perspective? No, it doesn’t. After all, the reason they’re falling behind is because they aren’t needed for the lifts you’re doing.

      Does it matter if your calves fall behind from an aesthetics perspective? Probably not, no. How good we look is mostly based in our upper-body size and perceived “formidability.” If we’re lean and strong with muscular upper bodies, we tend to look better. Our calves don’t really factor into that. On the other hand, you might prefer how you look with bigger calves.

      What are your calves for? Mostly for endurance activities, such as walking and jogging, it seems. And so they get a lot of endurance work, have an extreme tolerance for volume, and tend to be quite stubborn to bulk up.

      How do we bulk up our calves? To bulk up your calves, the best exercises are ones that load them in a heavy stretch, such as standing calf raises done with a deep stretch at the bottom. Normally you do this by raising your toes up a couple of inches using weight plates or whatnot. And then the trick is to use a lot of volume. They need a lot of volume. So I’d recommend 3+ sets done 3+ times per week. Do that for a few months and your calves should get a bit bigger. Most bodybuilders take the time and effort to go through that process. Most non-bodybuilders don’t.

      So to summarize, most people don’t train their calves and don’t care how big their calves are, but if you DO want to bulk up your calves, you need to train them quite hard and quite often. If they aren’t growing, it’s probably because you aren’t doing enough. So do even more.

  3. Patrick Hutton on June 28, 2020 at 1:10 pm

    Hi interesting article. You’re correct that Starting Strength is a beginner programme for getting stronger and as an afterthought get bigger muscles.

    Four additional points.

    The Power Clean is often dropped by Starting Strength Coaches for more senior and/or out of condition folk due to its nature.

    Likewise for older starters they often start with remedial exercises to reach the necessary range of motion and/or strength to do the actual exercises with an empty barbell.

    Flexibility is allowed for such folk and sometimes instead of the Bench and Overhead Press the Incline Bench Press is used instead.

    Chinups are bought in early as ancillary exercises and where required back extensions.

  4. Martin on June 28, 2020 at 3:30 pm

    Thanks – great read for someone who has done starting strength for a while and noticed much more leg development than anything else…

    One thing Mr Rippetoe would I am sure point out is that the program does recommend swapping in chins – just not from day one. So to be fair there are chin ups.

    • Shane Duquette on June 28, 2020 at 3:49 pm

      Hey Martin, thank you!

      I see chin-ups listed as a useful assistance exercise, as are triceps extensions and a number of other lifts. And Rippetoe has an entire book on transitioning to the intermediate level. I was just trying to review the default program as recommended in the Starting Strength book (3rd edition).

  5. TIM on June 28, 2020 at 4:44 pm

    For me personally, I found I got more growth once I dropped to five rep sets from 8 to 10. Plus the ability to add weight to the bar every session was very satisfying, helping me stay motivated and push harder. This added even more muscle as I kept with the program better and wanted to be in the gym more.

    On a more pointed note about starting strength. The program doesn’t add in the power cleans right from the get go any more. You add them a few weeks in when you are no longer able to progress the deadlift as fast. Chins are also added later. You add a chin up once your press stalls. At this point it’s a very well rounded program for making strong healthy individuals. That’s its focus, not vanity.

    • Shane Duquette on June 28, 2020 at 4:56 pm

      Hey Tim, thank you for the thoughtful comment.

      I don’t think it’s impossible for people to make better progress with lower reps. I’d guess it was something different that made you grow faster when you switched your training style, though. For most people, according to most research, lower reps provides at best the same amount of growth stimulus, not more. But you could be an outlier there. That can happen.

      You can add weight to the bar when lifting in more moderate rep ranges, too. I think trying to add weight every workout is a good strategy for beginners, though, no argument there. I like that approach, too. (Although also adding reps and sets only tends to make it better.)

      Personal preference is HUGE. If you prefer it, absolutely, yeah, that’s essential. Whatever type of training makes you enjoy training, that’s by far the most important thing for living a long and healthy life 🙂

      I agree that Starting Strength veers hard away from vanity, I agree that it’s good for general health, and it’s definitely good for helping beginners get stronger. I think it’s a good beginner strength training program. But I’d just add that hypertrophy training doesn’t need to be about vanity, either. Building muscle is profoundly healthy, traditional hypertrophy training has an incredibly low risk of injury, higher-rep sets work our cardiovascular systems harder, and it comes along with all of the health and general strength advantages of strength training, too. So there’s no reason to think that training for muscle size is less healthy, more vain, or even that it’s worse for general strength. It’s just not as good for developing 1-rep max strength, as a powerlifter would need. But for people who don’t care about powerlifting, I think it’s a better approach for improving general health and strength for most people. And, yeah, it makes us look better, too.

    • Shane Duquette on June 28, 2020 at 5:04 pm

      Oh! And thank you for pointing out the power cleans part. I’ll check back with the latest edition and update it 🙂

    • Shane Duquette on July 4, 2020 at 10:09 am

      Hey Tim, I thought you might find this interesting. There’s a new study that just came out that looked at calf training with different rep ranges. What was interesting is that some people saw quite a bit more growth when training in lower rep ranges, whereas other people saw quite a bit more growth when training in higher rep ranges. So it seems that heavier training does work better for some people, whereas light training works better for other people. Makes sense to experiment in different ranges and find what produces the best results at an individual level, I think, with moderate (6–20 reps per set) being an ideal default place to start.

  6. Fleischman on July 10, 2020 at 4:57 pm

    You said:
    “the lifts that are hardest while our muscles are stretched tend to be best for building muscle (study).”

    Will training these lifts by only/mostly/also holding the weight statically in the stretched position (instead of also/only doing full range of motion) be the ultimate corollary of what you said? I mean, how about doing all-static deadlift/squat/bench press sets in the stretched position?

    Thanks.

    • Shane Duquette on July 11, 2020 at 9:18 am

      Hey Fleischman, that’s a good question, but no, lifting through a range of motion tends to stimulate more muscle growth than isometric holds. Ideally, we’d use lifts that are the hardest while our muscles are at long muscle lengths but that also use a fairly large range of motion.

      If we combine a large range of motion with a hold at the bottom, though, yeah, maybe that could help. For instance, pausing with the bar on the chest at the bottom of a bench press while maintaining full tension on the chest might stimulate a bit more chest growth per rep, maybe. It’s possible. I don’t know. Some of those lifts are popular in powerlifting training.

  7. John on October 17, 2020 at 11:07 pm

    For such a detailed review I think you completely miss the point (and perhaps didn’t really read the book?).

    It’s recommended to start very light or just with the Barbell. The book prescribes Squats, Rows, bench, OHP and Deadlifts because almost every other exercise is just a variation of these basic and arguably most optimal choices for gains in strength, size and general functionality/athleticism. You master these, get strong in them and then mess around with the fancy variations and fluff work. Why waste time early not learning what’s best?

    The book includes Barbell rows, chin ups, Dips, Barbell Curls and lying Tricep extentions which you add over the course of time as you get stronger, can tolerate more volume and the linear progression becomes more challenging. All of which are done at a higher rep range, not just 5s.

    Goblet Squats are a great learning tool sure but you’re joking if you think they’re going to add more mass than Barbell squats…

    Lastly the book is called “Starting Strength not starting hypertrophy. Need we say anymore.

    • Shane Duquette on October 18, 2020 at 1:27 pm

      Hey John, thanks for the comment, man. You’re making some good points. Let me go through them.

      I’m not reviewing the program from the perspective of someone looking to learn the barbell lifts and get stronger, with most of that strength being on the squat. I’m reviewing it from the perspective of someone who wants to gain muscle mass by whatever means is best, and to gain some general strength along with it, with that strength being more evenly distributed throughout the body.

      It’s fair to ask why I’m reviewing a strength training program from the perspective of someone looking to build muscle. The reason is twofold. First, we have a ton of readers asking us if Starting Strength is good for building muscle. Second, we have a ton of members coming into our programs feeling really frustrated that they spent several months doing Starting Strength, they only gained a noticeable amount of muscle mass in their lower bodies, and they don’t understand why. So this article covers why that can happen.

      Is this to say that nobody should do Starting Strength? Of course not. I think it’s a really cool program. If someone wants to spend a couple of months practicing the barbell lifts with weights that are too light to stimulate muscle growth, by all means, they should do it. After those months of practice, they’ll have learned some great skills, and they’ll be able to stimulate quite a lot of growth with those lifts. So it will work out in the end. But a lot of skinny guys are eager to build muscle now. They don’t want to wait months before developing the coordination and working up to weights that are heavy enough to challenge their muscles.

      Does Starting Strength recommend eventually adding in some other lifts that are better for hypertrophy? Yeah. But this is a review from the perspective of someone getting started with the program, not someone who does it for a few months and finally gets to add in lifts that, I think, should have been there from the very beginning. And even then, should the squat, bench, and deadlift be done for sets of 5 reps if the goal is to build muscle? Nope, probably not.

      Will a goblet squat help someone gain more muscle than a low-bar back squat? That depends. Are we talking about an intermediate lifter or a beginner? If we’re talking about an intermediate lifter, yeah, the low-bar squat is better. But the front squat is even better for building muscle, so I’m not sure why an intermediate lifter would do low-bar squats (unless they’re into powerlifting). And if we’re talking about a beginner, then goblet squats are better, no question. It’s a much simpler movement. Instead of spending months practicing with too-light weights and working on coordination, guys can start building muscle right away. Hell, even for intermediate lifters, goblet squats are amazing for building muscle. They only become poor for building muscle if, a) someone doesn’t have enough upper-body strength to support the dumbbell. But if you’re training your upper body properly right from the get-go, that’s rarely an issue. Or if, b) they get so strong that they can do 12+ reps with the heaviest dumbbell they have access to. That’s rare for beginners and early-intermediate lifters, especially if they’re starting off skinny.

      Isolation lifts aren’t fluff work. Especially for beginners. And at the very, very beginning is when beginners benefit from them the very most. After all, that’s when coordination tends to hold beginners back. Using simple brute strength lifts allows them to challenge their muscles right from the get-go, stimulating a great amount of muscle growth right from their very first workout. Plus, it’s a rare beginner who doesn’t want to build bigger biceps. Why wait months before training them?

      As for your last point—”the book is called Starting Strength not Starting Hypertrophy”—yes, I agree. That’s my whole point. If someone is interested in hypertrophy, it’s not the best program. That’s the perspective that I’m reviewing it from. Because a lot of people are confused, thinking that Starting Strength is good for bulking up, good for gaining size. It sounds like you realize that it isn’t ideal for building muscle, so I’m not sure we even really disagree.

      Let me know if that clears it up. If not, I’m happy to dive deeper 🙂

      • John on October 18, 2020 at 8:04 pm

        I think we agree for the most part.
        Definitely a few points we would differ on.

        Firstly I think the words you are looking for are proportion and balance or perhaps targeted hypertrophy. From a scientific stand point what’s better for hypertrophy/gaining muscle is what adds the most lean tissue to your body not what makes you look more aesthetic. Easiest example here would be front Squats vs back Squats – if you only chose one for adding as much mass as possible you’d choose back, for aesthetic purposes you’d choose front, but in reality you should probably do both.

        With regards to Squats I’ve trained multiple clients who haven’t touched a Barbell before who are repping 135 on back Squats comfortably within the first few weeks of training. Most gyms don’t have dumbells that heavy so to challenge their lower body optimally it makes very little sense to programme Goblet Squats unless as an accessory or there are other (mobility?) issues present.

        If you don’t like low bar squats just programme high bar, again, more total hypertrophy than Goblet Squats and front Squats. Front Squats are fantastic, especially when alternated with back Squats but they are way more technical and require very good mobility/ strength through thoracic erectors limiting the work your quads and gluteus are doing.

        Sets of 5-8 reps have their place in hypertrophy training 100%. Ideally you work through a variety, 5-8, 8 – 12 and 15-20. They all have their place and complement each other.

        Id also be interested in what you would define as an intermediate lifter? For me it’s someone who can no longer make consistent linear progression (weekly) and more complex training is required. Usually at the point a male trainee would be repping their bodyweight on Bench and 1.5-2x bodyweight on Squats for multiple sets (provided they’re within a healthy bmi).

        Lastly and perhaps most importantly I think encouraging trainees to get comfortable Barbell squatting early is paramount to long term success. The amount of trainees that dodge the Squat rack for 2-3 years and have terrible leg strength and development is tragic. And these trainees will just continue to dodge them generally as they now look the part (on top atleast) and cannot bring themselves to Squat weights that appear to be way too light..

        As I said I think we agree for the most part.

        • Shane Duquette on October 18, 2020 at 9:35 pm

          We’re kind of arguing nuances (which I enjoy!). If someone came to me and wanted to do 5-rep sets of low-bar squats instead of 7-rep sets of front squats, I’d tell them to go for it. Both variations are sweet. It’s just that if someone came to me wanting to bulk up, I’d default to the front squat for moderate reps. Maybe the opposite for you. But that’s a fairly minor difference.

          And I hear you on the value of squatting. We start people squatting 2–3x per week right from the beginning. I don’t think it matters if people use a dumbbell or a barbell, although at some point progressing to the barbell is an important part of continuing to get stronger. I don’t particularly mind if people have proportionally weaker legs, but if we’re talking about ideals, yeah, I think it’s sweet to build a physique that’s strong overall 🙂

          And you make a good point about squats being perhaps the single best lift for adding overall muscle mass. Most guys aren’t super keen on gaining 20 pounds only to realize that 15 of those pounds are in their thighs and hips. But you’re right, squats are still amazing for hypertrophy, just somewhat irrelevant to aesthetics.

          I’m not sure I agree that low-bar squats are better than front squats for overall hypertrophy (or general strength, for that matter). For the quads, front squats allow us to go deeper, the knees bend quite a lot more, and we get a much better stretch on the quads. Pretty much all research shows that with squads, it’s better to stretch the quads deeper, even if that means using lighter weights. For similar reasons, you could argue that the low-bar squat is better for the hips—the second biggest muscle in our bodies. We get a much deeper hip angle, challenging our glutes in a greater stretch, and with much longer moment arms. Both lifts are great for both, though.

          The front squat has some other advantages, too: it’s easier on the joints, less fatiguing, safer, it’s great for improving posture, and it’s sweet for building a thicker torso. I’d say that makes it the better hypertrophy lift, and arguably the better lift for developing general strength, whereas the low-bar squat is better for the sport of powerlifting.

          We don’t need to use just one lift to stimulate hypertrophy. Combine front squats with Romanian deadlifts and you’ve got the best of both worlds. We’ve got one lift going maximally deep at the knees and another going maximally deep at the hips. And because Romanian deadlifts don’t have (much) bend at the knees, we get the hamstrings fully stretched and working hard enough to stimulate muscle growth, too.

          High-bar squats are great, yeah. No argument from me there. I still think front squats are slightly better, but we give the option for high-bar, too (and a few other varieties, including low-bar).

          Goblet squats are way deeper than low-bar back squats and are typically done in higher rep ranges. Someone low-bar squatting 225 pounds for 5 reps will probably be hard pressed to goblet squat 100 pounds for 10 reps. And that 100-pound goblet squat will stimulate more muscle growth per set and per unit of fatigue.

          I often say that sets of 6–20 reps are ideal for building muscle, different lifts work better in different rep ranges, and using a mix is best. And we go outside of that range sometimes. We just do most of our training there. You’re saying 5–20, and that’s fine, too. I think we agree here.

          I think there are a few different ways to define an intermediate lifter. Your definition works. I’d also say that someone doing front squats, bench presses, deadlifts, overhead presses, and chin-ups with great technique is an intermediate lifter from a technique standpoint. And from a hypertrophy perspective, someone who’s already gotten their newbie gains and is dealing with slower rates of muscle growth could be called an intermediate even if they’re still making weekly linear progress on some lifts.

  8. kiru on October 22, 2020 at 10:06 am

    Ok, this is the best article so far and I love it.

    I would really like it if you wrote some motivational articles.Because people won’t stop dragging us down. I have been listening to lots of shit like, “Hey you; it’s been a month and no change. Just quit bro!”

    Even when I barely mention working out they will be like, “Why would you go? You will break your bones!” *Laughter*

    I am so pissed off by those kinds of comments. So please give us something to motivate us?

    Thanks!

    • Shane Duquette on October 22, 2020 at 12:01 pm

      Motivation isn’t really my area of expertise. I mean, we try to be motivating and positive, but I’m not sure I’d be the best person to write motivation articles. With that said, what you’re hearing is definitely bogus. If it’s been a month without change, that doesn’t mean you should give up, it means you should strategically adjust.

      For example, if a week goes by and you don’t gain weight, it doesn’t mean you should stop trying to gain weight, it just means you weren’t in a calorie surplus, and so you need to add some extra calories into your diet. Maybe 200–300 calories. Weight yourself again a week later, and again, adjust as needed. That’s how we turn a lack of results into steady, consistent progress 🙂

      You won’t break your bones. That’s not really a lifting injury. If you hurt yourself lifting, it’ll probably be a weight plate falling your toe, a pulled muscle, a bruise on your shin from walking into something, or a strained neck. So don’t stress too much about that. But nonetheless, still best to be careful.

      I hope that helps. And you’ll get there. Just keep adjusting whenever you hit a setback. You’ll get there 🙂

      • kiru on October 23, 2020 at 12:26 pm

        ok Tnx for that..that was help full
        i was thinking abt my injury abt 4years ago,i broke my hand and got a surgery the dr.s told me its healed now,its fixed but since i have started working out deadlift is one of the scariest workout in my programm fearing that it wud break it again(in the same place cuz its dragging my hand down and its very heavy)
        so what shud i do …do i need to keep workn or wud recommend me some workout that are very effective as dead lift?
        tnx

      • John on October 25, 2020 at 7:02 am

        The reason why a beginner learns squats and not goblet squats is for that very reason: squats are more difficult.

        If a beginner spends 3 months goblet squatting, that is 3 months lost learning how to squat. Your article is quite well thought out and seems quite academic; however most is redundant. Just writing for writing sake. A waste of time.

        And barbell rows can be substituted for power cleans; therefore upper back can be stimulated.

        Pull ups can be added to the end of a workout for biceps and so can dips for triceps.

        The idea is to gain most of your muscle “90%” with these lifts without the complication.

        After 2 to 3 years when you’re maxing out on your genetic potential, analyze weak points, cut down on the compound lifts, and add in some isolation lifts to round off your physique.
        No need to write a “novel” and complicate things.

        • Shane Duquette on October 25, 2020 at 2:46 pm

          Alright, so this evidently wasn’t your thing, and that’s cool.

          If a beginner spends 3 months goblet squatting, they’re learning how to squat. They are squatting. And if the goal is building muscle, it’s hardly a waste of time. It’s a great way to build a ton of muscle. Now, are they learning how to do a low-bar squat? No. But who cares? A powerlifter might care, but why should anyone else? I’m not even sure a non-powerlifter would ever benefit from learning that specific low-bar variation (although there’s nothing wrong with doing so, either).

          If you swap the power cleans for barbell rows, you’re changing the program against Rippetoe’s advice, though, right? Doesn’t he explicitly say not to do that? But, yes, you could change the program to make it better for building muscle. That’s my whole point.

          Beginners gain a huge advantage from doing isolation lifts. It cuts down the learning curve, allowing them to build muscle more quickly. Why not get 90% of the way to your genetic potential in far less time, right? Why go the slow way? And why intentionally let your arms lag behind? What’s the advantage of that? I mean, if you don’t care, that’s cool. Nothing wrong with skipping curls. But if you want bigger arms, no reason not to curl from day one. You’ll build bigger arms much faster.

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